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Abnaxus · Mar 22, 2007, 10:42 AM // 10:42

Hi, I recently noticed something changed in shields, related to the way they can be updated with inscriptions and handles.

All collectors and green shields, like this for instance

have this format of wording:

<shield name>
<AL (req)>
<inscription>
<handle>

Also, when you normally upgrade an item, the latest upgrade appears in the last line of the description.

So when I upgrade a shield, I like to follow the same order, and put the inscription and "then" the handle.

Recently I got 2 shields from chests, they came like this

<shield name>
<AL (req)>
<handle>
<inscription>

When I tried to put a +30hp handle, the wording kept it's order, so the +30hp didn't appear in the last line.

Tried the same with a shield I bought more or less 1 month ago, and it worked in the previous way.

OK, the order of the stats doesn't affect anything in the shield, but I like to decide how I want the description look like.

Those like me who buy shields (or other items) don't do it because they "need" them for stats, but only for estetic reasons.
If I "need" something, I get a perfect one for free from a collector, or farm for a green. If I buy a gold, I do because of the skin, and then I put the upgrades to make them statwise comparable to the collectors and green ones.

If this is confirmed, I find really hard to understand how some A.net employee could wast his time in doing this unrequested, unwanted and totally useless update.
Maybe because the +30hp in the last line of the description is exploited in PvP and totally unbalances the whole game?

And, if this employee doesn't want to give players the freedom to choose in which order the upgrade appear in the description, ok, but at least follow the normal standard which is used in every green and collector shield.
This update, that comes out of nothing, is not only unrequested and useless, but also erroneously implemented.

There is a huge list of things to fix and requested features, and instead they come with things like that LOL!

boxterduke · Mar 22, 2007, 12:31 PM // 12:31

It has been like this for a while, I think the update before NF was out when they added inscriptions

Its the same for weapons as well, the last mod added will show last.

Antheus · Mar 22, 2007, 12:37 PM // 12:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abnaxus

And, if this employee doesn't want to give players the freedom to choose in which order the upgrade appear in the description, ok, but at least follow the normal standard which is used in every green and collector shield.
This update, that comes out of nothing, is not only unrequested and useless, but also erroneously implemented.

I petition for this employee to be fired. The sheer evilry of this act deserves corporal punishment acompanying civil lawsuit. How would anyone in their sane mind implement something like this is an act words cannot begin to describe.

And due to the cruelty with which this act was performed, a good old-fashioned lynch would be the only way for justice to be served..

Abnaxus · Mar 22, 2007, 12:41 PM // 12:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxterduke

It has been like this for a while, I think the update before NF was out when they added inscriptions

Its the same for weapons as well, the last mod added will show last.

No, maybe I wasn't clear.

If you put a shield handle on a newly dropped shield, that last mod added doesn't show last.

In my recent experience, shields are now coming like

<name>
<AL (req)>
<handle>
<inscription>

and when you replace the handle, that mod appear in line 3 and not at the bottom.
Instead on older shields it works like you said.

Saelfaer · Mar 22, 2007, 01:33 PM // 13:33

seriously, someitmes i ask myself 'what in gods Melandru's name is wrong with some fans here'

so you seriously get anoyed by the order of the description on an item?

1) since when does the order in which mods are shown give you a possibility to exploit an item in pvp? where did you get that thought?
2) maybe this was not really intentional, several developers work on a project, if they had to change some code, or clean up some code, it is well possible that the line that writes +30 hp to your screen the object array, was placed before the line where the inscription is added to the shield object. thus rearanging their order.

i personally see no problem in a changed order of mod descriptions!

Kook~NBK~ · Mar 22, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

A complete non-issue.

MirageMaster · Mar 22, 2007, 02:02 PM // 14:02

Id rather see green items and bonus items use mods of my choice.

linh · Mar 22, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

Try harder next time to find another thing to complain about.

Dougal Kronik · Mar 22, 2007, 03:04 PM // 15:04

Actually, it was requested that mods keep their order regardless of which order they were applied. For consistency.

This thread is about the mod order for staves:

Show staff upgrades in a consistent order

Since more players asked for a set order than no order, the programmer was probably told to include the change. And it was probably just as easy, if not easier, to have the change affect all items.

Etta · Mar 22, 2007, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Wait, is the shield still have the same effect with different order of mods or what? I don't know, I lost 10 points of my IQ from reading the OP.

Tetris L · Mar 22, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saelfaer

seriously, someitmes i ask myself 'what in gods Melandru's name is wrong with some fans here'

Indeed, just recently I've been thinking the same, a lot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

Actually, it was requested that mods keep their order regardless of which order they were applied. For consistency.

/signed

It makes much more sense that way. Just like a staff head is always the name prefix and the wrapping is always the suffix. It's a uniform standard, easy to understand, and reduces confusion. Establish a rule and stick to it.

Abnaxus · Mar 22, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etta

Wait, is the shield still have the same effect with different order of mods or what? I don't know, I lost 10 points of my IQ from reading the OP.

It's written in the post, that order doesn't change the effect, next time use your high IQ to read better (and to understand what you read).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saelfaer

1) since when does the order in which mods are shown give you a possibility to exploit an item in pvp? where did you get that thought?

Of course I wrote that in ironical sense, because I actually can't see any reason to make this change, so changing something that actually didn't need to be changed can be explained only with some mysterious motivation that goes beyond my actual knowledge of the game mechanics.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

Actually, it was requested that mods keep their order regardless of which order they were applied. For consistency.
This thread is about the mod order for staves:
Show staff upgrades in a consistent order
Since more players asked for a set order than no order, the programmer was probably told to include the change. And it was probably just as easy, if not easier, to have the change affect all items.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetris L

Indeed, just recently I've been thinking the same, a lot.
/signed
It makes much more sense that way. Just like a staff head is always the name prefix and the wrapping is always the suffix. It's a uniform standard, easy to understand, and reduces confusion. Establish a rule and stick to it.

This sound reasonable, but in this case I request the devs to make the stats appear according to the same standard used for green and collectors items, for uniformity reasons.

Anyway, I'm thinking that this thread should stay in Sardelac Sanitarium, so I'm asking mods to close this and I'll make a new one in the proper section (hopefully without flaming).